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CR-V, HR-V 1996-2012 (Edit)
Automatic all wheel drive. Honda's Real Time Four Wheel Drive System. Normally front wheel drive vehicle. Torque transfer to rear axle via multi-plate clutch. Dual pump system is used to apply pressure to the clutch. It also disengages the clutch when braking to allow ABS work smoothly.
How Honda's Dual Pump 4WD works (Edit)
For most of the time, only the HR-V’s front wheels are driven; it’s only when they begin to lose grip that the Dual Pump system starts to send power to the rear wheels. This is achieved by a hydraulic torque-split system, consisting of a conventional front-wheel drive arrangement, complete with transfer case, a propeller shaft running the length of the vehicle and a Dual Pump system integrated with the rear differential. This is the heart of the system and comprises two hydraulic pumps, one driven by the front wheels via the prop shaft, the other by the rear wheels via the rear differential.
During normal levels of grip the front and rear wheels, and their respective pumps, turn at the same speed; hydraulic pressure circulates between the two pumps, but no pressure is generated. If the front wheels begin to lose traction and start to spin faster than those at the rear, the two pumps turn at different rates; hydraulic pressure proportional to the difference in their speeds is generated, which in turn opens a valve body and activates a mechanical, multi-plate clutch.
This clutch then connects the front prop shaft to the rear diff, which feeds precisely the correct amount of torque to the rear wheels to re-establish overall traction. The more the front wheels slip, the greater the torque fed to the rear wheels.
The Dual Pump arrangement weighs less than a conventional four-wheel drive system and demands little maintenance – just a fluid change at 72,000 miles and thereafter every 36,000 miles. Further advantage of this design is that it automatically disengages under braking, thereby allowing the ABS to operate.
CR-V (2012-...) (Edit)
Automatic all wheel drive. Normally front wheel drive with torque transfer to the rear axle via electronically-controlled multiplate clutch.
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Part-time all wheel drive VTM-4 used in the 2003-2008 Pilot (1st-gen) and 2009-2015 Pilot (2nd-gen) as well as the 2006-2014 Ridgeline. It is a greatly simplified version of SH-AWD Version 2, but lacks any planetary gearsets or electro-mechanical clutches, instead replacing them with single wet-plate clutch pack & a single electro-mechanical coil that actuates it. So VTM-4 cannot independently torque vector & its clutches must mechanically transfer all of the engine's torque to the rear axle. Clutch stresses and heat limits VTM-4 to a maximum operation up to 18 MPH.
Version 1. Employed on 2005-2012 Acura RL/Honda Legend
Version 2. Employed on 2007-2012 Acura RDX, 2007-2013 MDX (2nd-gen), 2014-2015 MDX (3rd-gen), 2010-2013 ZDX, and 2009-2014 TL (equipped with 3.7L V6)
Version 3. Employed on the 2015+ Acura TLX and the 2016+ MDX and also the i-VTM4 used on 2016+ Honda Pilot
Version 4. Employed on the 2014+ Acura RLX Sport Hybrid & 2017+ Acura MDX Sport Hybrid
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Honda's SH-AWD all wheel drive system (Edit)
By monitoring driver input and driving conditions, the SH-AWD system determines the optimum front-rear and lateral (left-right) torque distribution. This information is then conveyed to the rear differential, where direct electromagnetic clutches continuously regulate and vary front-rear torque distribution between ratios of 30:70 and 70:30, and lateral torque distribution in the rear wheels between ratios of 100:0 and 0:100. Torque is used not only for propulsion, but for cornering as well, resulting in a significant enhancement in vehicle maneuverability. SH-AWD system monitors vehicle speed, wheel speed, gear position, steering angle, yaw rate, lateral G forces and other inputs, while automatically adding torque to the outside rear wheel in corners to make the car turn quicker
How front-to-rear torque is distributed: (Edit)
Straight-line driving front-rear torque distribution is regulated for optimum performance in accordance with the amount of torque produced. During rapid acceleration the load on the front wheels is reduced; conversely, rear-wheel load is reduced during cruising. The result is stable driving at all times.
How left-to-right torque is distributed on the rear wheels: (Edit)
During cornering, torque to the rear wheels is continuously varied to supply up to 100% to the outside wheel and 0% to the inside wheel. This creates an inward yaw moment, significantly improving vehicle handling. Yaw moment is turning torque relative to the vertical axis running through the vehicle’s center of gravity.
When decelerating during cornering (throttle closed), torque to the outside rear wheel is freely varied to change from an inward to an outward yaw moment, ensuring vehicle stability at all times.
How does acceleration device works: (Edit)
The rear differential is also equipped with a built-in acceleration device. During cornering, the track of the outside rear wheel normally falls outside the average of the tracks of the front wheels. The outside rear wheel does not rotate fast enough to keep up with the front wheels, preventing efficient transmission of torque. To counteract this problem, the SH-AWD acceleration device alters the gearing to speed up the outside rear wheel’s rotation relative to the front wheels. This reduces torque transmission losses and significantly improves vehicle maneuverability. During straight-ahead driving, the twin-pinion planetary carrier spins in synchronization with the propeller shaft, causing the front and rear wheels to turn at the same speed. When the vehicle enters a curve, however, the� planetary carrier is locked to the case, releasing the device from synchronization with the propeller shaft and accelerating the rotation speed of the rear wheels. A hydraulic actuator which turns the clutches on and off, and a one-way clutch are included in this compact configuration.
Watch Honda's video about SH-AWD: http://world.honda.com/HDTV/news/2004-4040401a/
About SH-AWD (in German): http://www.hondaoldies.de/Korbmacher-Archiv/Technik/sh4wd.htm
2007-2012 Acura RDX, 2007-2013 MDX (2nd-gen), 2014-2015 MDX (3rd-gen), 2010-2013 ZDX, and 2009-2014 TL (Version 2) (Edit)
torque-Vectoring full-time all wheel drive. Version 2 is similar to Version 1 but with the system but lacked the "Acceleration Device" of the former. This limited the rear wheel overdrive ratio from 5.7% to 1.7%, decreasing the effectiveness of SH-AWD in tight turns. However V2 still is a full-time system with torque vectoring actuated via electro-mechanical clutches, which in turn holds 2 planetary gearsets (one for each rear wheel) in which power can be transferred.
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2015+ Acura TLX, 2016+ MDX (Version 3) (Edit)
torque-Vectoring full-time all wheel drive. Version 3 was introduced in the 2015+ TLX 3.5L & 2016+ MDX, but its design is closer to VTM-4 than SH-AWD V2. Like VTM-4 the 2 planetary gearsets & electro-mechanical clutches are gone, replaced by 2 independent hydraulic clutches. Rear axle overdrive ratio is increased from 1.7% to 2.7%, allowing greater torque vectoring ability & range of SH-AWD operation in tighter turns. Like V2 there is no longer an "Acceleration Device". Unlike VTM-4 however SH-AWD V3 continues to be a full-time AWD and operates up to any speed. Thanks to reduction in complexity, the size & weight of V3 is less than that of SH-AWD V2 & V1.
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2016+ Honda Pilot, 2017+ Ridgeline, 2019+ Passport (Edit)
full-time all wheel drive. i-VTM4 employed on the 2016+ Pilot, 2017+ Ridgeline, and 2019+ Passport is similar to SH-AWD V3 in construction and operation.
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2014+ RLX, 2017+ MDX Sport Hybrid (Version 4) (Edit)
torque-Vectoring full-time all wheel drive. Version 4 is the newest member of SH-AWD and operates significantly more different than any SH-AWD to date, as the system is built on a 3 electric motor Hybrid system with the rear axles lacking any mechanical means of connecting to the petrol/gas engine at the front.
Employed first on the 2014+ RLX Sport Hybrid & later on the 2017+ MDX Sport Hybrid, the front axle is driven by a gas engine (3.5L on RLX, 3.0L on MDX) aided by a 47hp & 109lb/ft electric motor. The rear axle is driven by a Twin Motor Unit (TMU) fed by a 1.3kWh battery driving 2 separate motors each pushing out 36hp & 54lb/ft (total 72hp & 108lb/ft). Each rear motor can be controlled independently: propelling the car in EV mode alone (up to 78 MPH to prevent damage from overspeeding), providing regenerative braking together to slow the car and lastly, independent regenerative braking via the inside wheel and powering the outside wheel to enable torque vectoring in corners.
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On a grassy slope today and was left stranded as front wheels spinning and back not engaging. Went under car to ensure it was AWD. Saw the driveshafts going to the wheels. This is why I bought the Honda CRV 2014 for traction on grassy slopes. Why does it not work in this real world situation.
AWD is not a god send for traction. Your tires are what's actually putting the power down, so if they're worn or not able to cope with multiple surfaces, you're done. That gen of CRV is also known for the AWD being ineffective.
I would just like to point out an inaccuracy about the AWD system of the new generation Pilot ( 2016 ) and the 2nd Generation Ridgeline ( Introduced in 2017, there were no 2015 or 2016 Ridgeline’s ) The 2nd Generation Ridgeline most definitely DOES HAVE TORQUE VECTORING CAPABILITY. I don’t why someone would say It doesn’t. In every review on YouTube, the Honda rep accompanying the reviewer usually makes a point of stressing this. The main difference between the Torque vectoring capability Honda put in the new Ridgeline and what they put in certain ( not all ) high end Acura’s is the amount of rear outer wheel overdrive the system will allow when cornering. The Ridgeline’s is fixed at around 2% maximum, whereas some of the more sporty Acura’s can overdrive the outside rear wheel by upwards of 5% to enhance performance.
The Ridgeline is a full time AWD system and power is almost never exclusively delivered to just the front wheels. It would be more appropriate to say that this AWD system is front wheel drive “biased” in that most of the time the majority of power is sent to the front wheels. However, when conditions require it, the Ridgeline is capable of sending up to 70% of the power to the rear wheels and it can send up 100% of that 70% to one side and that is classic torque vectoring.
I purchased a 2017 Ridgeline in May 2017 in RTL trim and zi did extensive research on it and every other truck in the segment and I am convinced there is no truck, full size or midsize, that offers a system as competent to deal with inclement weather conditions on paved surfaces thAn the Ridgeline. For instance the Ridgeline is incredible in the rain, a dangerous condition where traditional 4WD cannot be engaged without risk of damage.
Click on this YouTube link youtu.be/Zb92baNEu9o and fast forward to the 17 minute mark to listen to a very detailed explanation of the Ridgeline’s AWD system and it’s capability.
I very much agree. The current Pilot/Ridgeline does have torque vectoring. The main difference is software and how it is a more subdued version. Especially on loose surfaces. They do however do over drive the outside rear wheel in turns on dry pavement.
Hola! Si alguien me pudiera ayudar, lo agradezco. Tengo un Honda CRV-1999, con problemas de "clutcH"/aceleración??!!! Explico: camina bien, acelera bien, y de repente, no puedo "compresionar", cambio de marchas y acelero "pero el vehículo No se mueve", la aguja de potencia al máximo, pedal de "gas" al máximo, pero "no Camina". ¡Auxilio!!
What the different of Honda HR-V and Honda Vezel?
I bought a 2014 Crosstour EX-L 6cyl that shows "4WD" on the hatchback, and has drive axles to all wheels. There is no apparent control to engage the 4WD. After reading all 568 pages of the owner manual, I find not a single word about the drive system, and still don't know if this is a full time all wheel drive or a part time that drives the front wheels only until slippage is detected. The dealer is no help.
Can someone enlighten me?
There is no such thing as 'all wheel drive', no part-time/full-time nonsense.
Your car does not have a center differential-so it is not four wheel drive.
It is more sophisticated than a Jeep Wranger-which uses a very simplistic on/off connection to bring the front axle into play.
Your car is a front drive Power Take Off system. Mechanically 100% of the power goes to the front differential, minus how much is take off to the rear differential.
The CrossTour is Honda's last use of their updated dual pump system.
Even without center differential, it is still a 4WD. 2WD TO starT WITH, then engages rear wheels when needed. That by definition is 4WD. There is more than one 4WD system out there.
I guess the 2012 onwards version of the CR-V is not very keen of driving the rear wheels www.youtube.com
Hola , alguien si me puede ayudar, tengo un problema con mi crv 2001, se calienta mucbleepedel diferencial trasero y empieza a chillar. al rato se desacopla todo el vehiculo , queda como desembragado. gracias
Lograste solucionar esto? me acaba de pasar lo mismo y pienso que el problema es el diferencial delantero. Me gustaria saber como resolviste
Hi,dose the 4x4 system come in when making sharp slow turns? I seem to feel the tyres scuffing even when turning in to the drive!
The newest Honda CR-V adopts a modernized computer controlled clutch pack system (+ front & rear differentials)